I tend to view as it as sporting behaviour to finish off matches (to turn 30 if it is what it takes) even in the face of overwhelming casualties, however there is currently no real incentive to do so as losing the game through lack of players (which is usually what happen in stalemates that go beyond turn 20) carries the same penalty (double MVP to opponent, SPP lost). With the increased fouling that comes with send-offs not being enforced, and the 1 apothecary limit (outside of Inducement) it is currently a sure recipe for disaster as the only 'reward' is casualties and injuries

I think it is fine that players lose all SPP if they throw the game, but if a player stays till 'the end' of the game he should be able to have a MVP and keep his SPPs?

Seems a reasonable argument to me, but then again I'm not what you would consider even mildly knowledgeable of the game.

I would say that I consider it more sportsmanlike to let a player retreat if he's getting ten shades kicked out of him, so he can salvage what's left and have something to work with on his come-back rematch. Stating that your a coward or being unsporting so you can have the pleasure of defeating him in an even worse condition, is quite frankly a bit sadistic to me.

As you say though, a player who's getting kicked senseless has no incentive to stay. I would rather he chucked the towel in, said GG and walked away with whatever points he's managed to earn to hopefully re-challenge me sooner rather than later.

While were still on the subject of sportmanship, saying Hi, wishing a player goodluck/GG/or have fun before or at the end of a match...counts for a lot too. I've already ran into a few players who just ignore anything you say, even any jokes and who either take pleasure in deriding your team/style or question why your still playing as in the next 4 moves they will win.

Thankfully a lot of the faces who post on here have the good grace to do the above as well as offer tips and suggestions on how to improve your game, in a non-condescending manner and with more patience than I have lol. My hat off to you gents.

One more thing. If your opponent is a new-guy, help him, you can tell when someone is new and if they know how to teleport players in from the dug-out or not. Winning by having all your players on the pitch, while he's having his random six slaughtered is just so not cool in many, many ways.

I believe that the rules are that you still get the SPP for injuries/passes/interceptions that you've gained during the game, even if you concede. You miss out on the MVP and cash though.

In bloodbowl, where there's the 16 turn limit, I'd frown on coaches who don't finish games (though I do understand there's times when matches are going so badly that there's not much fun in even continuing). However I think it's more grey in dungeon bowl, as the turn limit is much higher. If your opponent is in a position to score, but is delaying so that they can pound your team into the dirt, then I'd resign the game (and understand anyone else doing the same too). It's more grey where you're stuck against an opponent who's just dug in with the ball and is making no attempt to score - I'd be inclined to either continue trying to break their lines ('cos I enjoy silly plays like that), or to just form up defensive lines myself and sit it out too. But at the same time I understand those who'd prefer to just resign the game and see if they can get another (potentially more enjoyable) game instead.

I also agree with Teutatis on being chatty in game, and saying hi, good luck, etc. It makes for a far more enjoyable game. I'm quite fortunate that I've not faced any really obnoxious coaches yet (and haven't really in BB either). Only had one opponent who complained a little about my luck - though there I just pointed out that this was the benefit of the 5 rerolls I'd bought for that team (rather than the 1 reroll he had for his team)

Yes I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that there is no amount of re-rolls which is too many!

I think the point of this post was you dont get the 5 spp's for the mvp if you stay but lose dew to not being last player on the field..
if this is the case that players that stall and win with the last man standing rule get both MVP points then i find this will promote more team to use this tactic and make more games boring

Teutatis wrote:As you say though, a player who's getting kicked senseless has no incentive to stay. I would rather he chucked the towel in, said GG and walked away with whatever points he's managed to earn to hopefully re-challenge me sooner rather than later.

the point is he wants to stay get kicked senseless but also then get his 5 SPP's for his MVP and then be more competitive next game

Teutatis wrote:While were still on the subject of sportmanship, saying Hi, wishing a player goodluck/GG/or have fun before or at the end of a match...counts for a lot too. I've already ran into a few players who just ignore anything you say, even any jokes and who either take pleasure in deriding your team/style or question why your still playing as in the next 4 moves they will win.

yes its always better to have a chat... but consider they may not be able to speak your language.. and yep no point being rude we all play this game for our own reasons and some builds we may thing wrong may just work for them so no need to knock em

Teutatis wrote:Thankfully a lot of the faces who post on here have the good grace to do the above as well as offer tips and suggestions on how to improve your game, in a non-condescending manner and with more patience than I have lol. My hat off to you gents.

+1 couldnt have said it better, great community (so far )

Teutatis wrote:One more thing. If your opponent is a new-guy, help him, you can tell when someone is new and if they know how to teleport players in from the dug-out or not. Winning by having all your players on the pitch, while he's having his random six slaughtered is just so not cool in many, many ways.

yep it can't feel like a win if you didn't earn it... also it may help them not give the game away and in that the community will grow not shrink

Coach Jester wrote:I think the point of this post was you dont get the 5 spp's for the mvp if you stay but lose dew to not being last player on the field..
if this is the case that players that stall and win with the last man standing rule get both MVP points then i find this will promote more team to use this tactic and make more games boring

I guess it depends on the team make-up. I mean if a Dwarven team is trying to out-bash a Human team then that is okay with me, but a Dwarven team trying to finish off a 1/2ling team or WE team?
I'd understand it when coaches of 1/2ling & WE teams would simply throw the game when someone is is trying to foul his whole team off the field.

Teutatis wrote:As you say though, a player who's getting kicked senseless has no incentive to stay. I would rather he chucked the towel in, said GG and walked away with whatever points he's managed to earn to hopefully re-challenge me sooner rather than later.
the point is he wants to stay get kicked senseless but also then get his 5 SPP's for his MVP and then be more competitive next game.

I don't see the advantage of trying to stay and get MVP points when the rest of your team is being crippled and injured.

TrickyD wrote:

Coach Jester wrote:I think the point of this post was you dont get the 5 spp's for the mvp if you stay but lose dew to not being last player on the field..
if this is the case that players that stall and win with the last man standing rule get both MVP points then i find this will promote more team to use this tactic and make more games boring

I guess it depends on the team make-up. I mean if a Dwarven team is trying to out-bash a Human team then that is okay with me, but a Dwarven team trying to finish off a 1/2ling team or WE team?
I'd understand it when coaches of 1/2ling & WE teams would simply throw the game when someone is is trying to foul his whole team off the field.

your missing the point... you miss out on the 5 spp's where as the other guy gets his 5 AND your 5...
halflings are cheap to replace and tbh i dont think it wise to level em at any rate.. better to sack em to not inflate the TV but the MVP going to a tree man is sometimes the only way they get to level.. so its better to stick it out and get the 5 spp's for the mvp

TrickyD wrote:

Teutatis wrote:As you say though, a player who's getting kicked senseless has no incentive to stay. I would rather he chucked the towel in, said GG and walked away with whatever points he's managed to earn to hopefully re-challenge me sooner rather than later.
the point is he wants to stay get kicked senseless but also then get his 5 SPP's for his MVP and then be more competitive next game.

I don't see the advantage of trying to stay and get MVP points when the rest of your team is being crippled and injured.

not all get killed or crippled... there is a bigger chance of just being badly hurt and so no affect for next game...
the point is with only 1 score a game team WILL level slower and need the MVP more than ever...the other team should NOT get your MVP if you stuck it out... if you quit then yes they should get it... that brings us back to the original post and that is if you stick it out you should get your own MVP

edit: also with the warp out rule not all your players will get injured at any rate

Coach Jester wrote:your missing the point... you miss out on the 5 spp's where as the other guy gets his 5 AND your 5...
halflings are cheap to replace and tbh i dont think it wise to level em at any rate.. better to sack em to not inflate the TV but the MVP going to a tree man is sometimes the only way they get to level.. so its better to stick it out and get the 5 spp's for the mvp

True, but the thing is the teams are never entirely made up of 1/2lings. I mean I have a WE 5AG thrower on my team. And in a previous match I've already lost my 4AG 1/2ling which I had intended to give Leap.

Teutatis wrote:not all get killed or crippled... there is a bigger chance of just being badly hurt and so no affect for next game...
the point is with only 1 score a game team WILL level slower and need the MVP more than ever...the other team should NOT get your MVP if you stuck it out... if you quit then yes they should get it... that brings us back to the original post and that is if you stick it out you should get your own MVP

True, but you run the risk of losing truly valuable players like the ones I've mentioned previously.

Teutatis wrote:edit: also with the warp out rule not all your players will get injured at any rate

Only if they reach the Warpstone.

edit: also with the warp out rule not all your players will get injured at any rate

Teutatis wrote:Only if they reach the Warpstone.

i was talking of the end game when they randomly warp out

Coach Jester wrote:

Teutatis wrote:edit: also with the warp out rule not all your players will get injured at any rate

Only if they reach the Warpstone.

i was talking of the end game when they randomly warp out[/quote] Yes well I doubt 1/2lings will make it that far into the game when a smart coach positions all his Dwarven Blockers near a Warpstones waiting for the next 1/2ling victim to warp in.